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Meggido • 2 years ago

Slavery is a big issue in the world, slave traders and all.
Souma going incognito to observe was nice to see from this point of view

Sprayquaza • 2 years ago

slavery in some form or way always persists even today sadly.

Vii X • 2 years ago

I'm okay with criminal slavery, just not other kinds. Do the crime, do the time, be a use to society and pay back the system while in jail.

Kevin Sears • 2 years ago

there are many kinds of slavery, but the primary ones are:

Chattel Slavery: Ironically the system we most think of as slaves is the most modern and most corrupt, and the one politicians get quite wrong. begins in 1654 Anthony Johnson(a black man, for the record) tricked John Casor(also black) into an endentured service contract without an expiration date. Virginias court upheld this and Casor became the first chattel slave in history (one who serves for life)
historically, however, slavery was VERY DIFFERENT

Contractual Slavery: still in use the world over, and is rarely thought of as slavery... sign a contract, be owned by an entity... sports contracts are like this, as are many acting contracts, a good example was how Harrison Ford was under a contract for the Indiana Jones movie with Lucas Arts... and because there was still time on the contract, he was forced to play han solo... didn't do this willingly,a nd originally, han takes the money and leaves, but Star wars became so popular Lucas was able to afford Ford for the rest of the trilogy.

Endentured Service: this is by far the most common practice throughout history, wherein one sells themselves in order to pay off debts or in the case of the scottish clearances, the cost of Atlantic passage. typical service was 4-7 years... however, uneducated people were often tricked into working longer, as they couldn't read the terms written on their papers. (ironically, chattel slaves HAD NO PAPERS, and were typically branded instead, as they were lifelong slaves) Chattel slavery was the most prevailant form of slavery in the US colonies, though chattel slavery was centered around plantations. Also roughly 5/8 slaves in the colonies were white, particularly scotts and Irish, then later there were Italians, as well as many women from debtors prison(the infamous Newgate) were shipped to the various colonies.

Class slavery: a broad term, this includes the english Serfs as well as the roman system... under class slavery, the second lowest class are owned by the aristocracy. Class systems offered the most freedom, and many had actual rights and priveledges!!! one should keep in mind that in Roman Empire, as much as 70% of the population at times were slaves, so treating them decently was kinda important. however, slaves had rights and often ranks. Galley rowers, for example, were to receive a half day per week at sea of shore leave, and were guarunteed 3 meals per day, with a maximum of 1 meal taken away punitively per 2 days. Galley rowers were bound to the ship, not the captain, and property of the state, and any kind of harm to them was destruction of government property... a minor injury of a galley rower would see a greater punishment than if one killed a beggar on the street...
other systems (like the english serf) had the people owing a certain amount of time to the local lord. this time was typically spent training for battle, or sewing, laundry, changing rushes in a castle, that sort of thing. a serf had to be elevated to the rank of Freeman to move out of the estate, or Yeoman to own a small plot of land within the estate. roughly 30% of englands population were serfs, roughly 40% were freemen or yeomen, then the rest were the Gentry, aristocracy, and nobility... the class system is why they refer to it as Class slavery :P

you mentioned Punitive labor: serving time, community service... someone commits a crime and then is forced to work as a punishment... great system really, but also easily abused... as DA, Kamala Emhoff often extended sentances of prisoners to keep them working longer. she also withheld evidence from the jury that proved an innocent man's crime was done by someone else until a higher court took over the case... after this, Kamala Emhoff became a politician under her maiden name and not the name she obtained upon marrying Douglas Emhoff... anyways, abuse of Punitive Labor is widespread.

and lets not forget the last 2 forms of slavery: Marriage and Guardianship... widely thought of as something else, it is still a system in which a person is owned by another person or organization... in the case of minors, until one is emancipated (hey, thats the same word for setting a slave free, I wonder why LOL) either by reaching the a age of majority or legal processes, all of ones income is owned by their legal guardian. a legal guardian has to sign off on any contract, and a parent can sell their childs car even if he worked a part time job and paid for it himself (yeah, that happened to me.. hard choice... was a deer... oncoming traffic one side, ditch on the other, slowed to 30, but then the guy behind me was riding my bumper... hitting the deer was the best option I had... and It only cracked the headlight cover...) anyways...
yup, a parent "owns" their child, and spouses "own" eachother... and slavery is defined as a human being owned by another person or entity...

Kevin Sears • 2 years ago

Point is: slavery takes many forms... and some are worse than others... some are actually beneficial... like sports teams owning a player and having legal authority to say they can't do certain things, or endentured servitude which has been used to save populations from starvation on the streets (scottish clearances were a harsh example, but they worked to pay off their passage and thrived in the midwest, many settling in as farmers)

Sprayquaza • 2 years ago

I am sad you forgot about theimmigrant labours of middle east who get theor passport stolen and basically forced into labour , that is pretty close to slavery

James • 2 years ago

Slavery is still a thing in Africa and is what started slavery in the first place. Taxes are another form of slavery. (If you mentioned this sorry, tldr)
I don't think slavery has anything to do with sports however. They make millions and they can leave whenever they want.

Immanuel • 2 years ago

umm... actually, Babylonia (Mesopotamian Civilization) the first civilization on earth already had slaves.... sooo slaves and Civilization has been hand in hand throughout history just their name changes over time

James • 2 years ago

Aren't you forgetting about Egypt? I'm pretty sure they have the earliest recorded civilization.

Immanuel • 2 years ago

naah Mesopotamian is the Earliest Civilization THEN Egypt... or maybe they both exist at the same time... Mesopotamian Civilization starts around 3150 BC and Egyptian Civ starts around 3000 BC or atleast that was what I learned during school :P

Mesopotamian Babylon was the one who attempted to build the tower of Babel btw

Draelyn • 2 years ago

Africa is what started slavery in the first place? I'm sure if you could take a time machine and go back 100,000 years you would still find humans enslaving other humans. Unless you are referring to Africa being the cradle of humanity, and since that is theorized where humans evolved from, then I guess you would technically be correct if homo sapiens first appeared in Africa?

James • 2 years ago

Sadly time machines will never work. Relative position in space and all that fun ruining science. I believe there was three different types of sapiens (could have been more but we've only found records of three). I wasn't going to go that technical but you could probably say that Africa being the center of pangea is where all land life started.
I was thinking more of the earliest recorded civilization Egypt.

Vii X • 2 years ago

I disagree about taxes. Infrastructure repair, and government employees like police and firefighters need to get payed somehow. Taxing the poorest is dumb though as is the tax system.

James • 2 years ago

Taxes on paper is a good idea but when in practice but is heavily abused by the people in power. Yes it's a good way to pay people to maintain infrastructure. But not good when the people are heavily taxed to feed paychecks for the people who think they rule over [place here] and don't have to pay those same taxes.

LesK • 2 years ago

star wars, 1977. indiana jones 1981. you either don't know your Harrison Ford history worth a crap or somebody lied to you.

QuadL • 2 years ago

It is perhaps backwards then? He was under the Star Wars contract and had to do the Indiana Jones movie but it became successful so they could then afford the contract for the sequel? Just saying he could of had the movies mixed up... In any case marriage is not slavery, children are not slaves to their parents (seems often the other way around when you consider all a parent has to do legally for their offspring and yet there is no guarantee the child or society would appreciate it) and there is a reason punitive labor declined after the 1960s and most of it deals with abuse of authority by government officials. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Kunare • 2 years ago

Children are slaves to their parents they can't do anything the parent doesn't approve off even if it's something harmless or beneficial to the child.

Natalie Klyne • 2 years ago

(can only speak for the US) Children are not slaves to their parents. Slaves dont have rights and children do. "Children's rights are economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to education, the right to a decent standard of living, the right to health, etc." If a guardian violates these rights the government can step in.

Oros • 2 years ago

and if someone isn't sure on the marriage ownership part for some reason, just remember: you can't divorce unless both sides consent, or extreme circumstances are present, aka if you got to the point of wanting out, but your partner doesn't feel the same, your stuck kiddo. then own you till they want out too. divorce is a nasty thing for a reason.

Natalie Klyne • 2 years ago

Thats just false, its called "defended divorce" and you just have to go to court and wait out the non-responsive spouse. No one owns you in marriage (at least in the US)

MadMoXie • 2 years ago

That's a very detailed description but very true about how the system of slavery can take certain forms in the most awful and subtle of ways.

Kirito • 2 years ago

Yeah there's so much thing they can do when they have a slave and I really love this episode it's really heartwarming to see souma made those dudes buy a slave that read, write and do math and souma was just testing the kid that has the same va as rudeus

ChemicalMonkey • 2 years ago

A parent has no legal right (unless granted in a court order) to sell a childs property if they legally own it. Even a car. If you are the owner listed on the title, you are required to sign off on the sale. Even If you co-own it with a parent and yo uare both on the title you BOTH are required to sign off on its sale. So...you either got duped into signing off on it, you weren't listed on the title as an owner, or they forged your signature. Two of those are very illegal crimes btw so pray they didn't do either of those or they could go to prison for a long time.

Also, personal opinion here but if hitting a deer is the best option in your head with that scenario than I am glad they sold "your" car lol. The best option is to go in the ditch, that is why they fucking exist, so you don't need to intentionally hit something and potentially risk an even worse incident. Secondly, if the guy behind you isn't obeying traffic laws...screw him. Let his dumbass rear-end you if you have too, hes liable for it...not you. next time you should just slam on your breaks and if they rear end you...its on them, not you.

Steven Glikin • 2 years ago

The correct choice is always slamming the brakes when something is in front of you... Not suiciding by crashing in a ditch

Zackari Sebastian • 2 years ago

Well, to be fair, the Plebs are essentially a working class. They just worked under the Aristocrats. All 3 phases of the Roman civilization treated them like how we treat our Middle class today. I believe that the best time period for the Plebians were the Roman Republic Period, because of more freedoms. It really depended on who was the ruling body of tje Romans lol

Natalie Klyne • 2 years ago

Contract Slavery—where a worker is deceived into slavery through the use of a false employment contract. Slaveholders create contracts to lure individuals with promises of employment, yet once they arrive at the workplace they are forced to work for no pay and cannot escape.

Harrison Ford was never deceived or was given a false employment contract. He simply didnt want to play Han Solo anymore and wanted out of his contract (he liked playing Indiana Jones) to which he signed in the first place. Lucas was then able to OFFER a high enough salary that Ford AGREED to come back and play Solo again. No one was forced to do anything other than what they already agreed to.

Also, indentured servants are not slaves or a form of slavery. It is illegal yes, but theyre not the same. Servants enter a contract willingly and had some rights, slaves dont have rights.

2hands • 2 years ago

really, really enjoyed reading this. only thing I disagree with is marriage being slavery, while I know some people suffer under abusive relationships, marriage is a partnership with plenty of compromises and allowances where one is free to make thier own choices and decisions. Also it can be terminated by either at any time.

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Immanuel • 2 years ago

yeah I agree on you saying that a Child or a Spouse is a not a slave, mostly due to Human Rights covering that. If a parent does bad shit crazy stuff that child would get Child protection. However, there are cases where parents basically sold their Children to prostitution or make them work etc (Happens alot in undeveloped countries and rarely in a developed one) due to those parents feeling entitled to have their Children's obedience or other various reasons, it usually goes along the line of "We gave birth to you so you must work for us". Why didn't the children report to Authority? they're minors and they possibly didn't even get a proper education

In a way man could become enslaved by their ex-wife from paying "Child support" which often times irresponsible mothers would use NOT on the child but on herself which in a sense become an enslavement and it happens alot which is a sad truth. Marriage by itself isn't an enslavement but it could turn into one if you're not careful at choosing your partner

So in conclusion, yes Guardianship and Marriage is not slavery. HOWEVER it could very well become one due to loopholes on our rules

MadMoXie • 2 years ago

Good correction there. At the end of the day it's all about free will in that regard.

Kirito • 2 years ago

I like how souma goes into incognito and removes that glasses and the guy was like shock lol and souma was just testing him if he could buy that slave and after that he would free her and the guy was like no and after that souma explains and gives that big money to fund and made that kid the head of something in the job

LesK • 2 years ago

wrong. title transfer in the US can NOT happen to a minor for a vehicle. unless the minor shows proof of 'emancipation' ie. legal declaration by that State the minor is self-sufficient due to 'certain circumstances'. sale of a vehicle is A CONTRACT and by US NATIONAL law 18 and under can NOT sign an enforceable contract. nigh on all 50 US States require a guardian, parent, or 18 year old to co-sign a title transfer for a vehicle. 'the adult' is the OWNER of said title and said vehicle. once the minor becomes 18 the co-signer can then request a new 'free and clear transfer of title' to the former minor.

ChemicalMonkey • 2 years ago

No, you are wrong lol. No contract is required for a minor to buy a vehicle. However, if you are getting it with a loan or payment plan than those require a contract, which requires a parent/guardians signature, which gives them ownership since they are the one accountable for it by law...not the minor. If you pay straight up for a vehicle than it is no different than buying a soda really. The owner of the vehicle signs the title over to you, you than go to the DMV to transfer its ownership to you and all of the legal stuff (taxes, registration, etc.). As long as no contract is involved, a minor can buy a car and be the sole owner of it, even a 3 year old could do it if they had the money and the parent can't do jack shit about it.

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LesK • 2 years ago

:D too true too true :D

Rustin Landis • 2 years ago

Endentured Servitude is also something parents like to use against their children. And when I say children, I don't mean young kids, but grown ass adults that have their parents still harping on them on what they owe for just existing.

Sprayquaza • 2 years ago

Middle eastern countries steal passports of immigrants from china , india bangladesh etc who were looking for jobs and the authorities let it "slide"
them getting rich this way and building skyscraper :/

Unknown • 1 year ago

China? You mean Pakistani's right?

The only Chinese working in West Asia are actual construction companies.

In Arab countries it's mostly South Asians.

Sprayquaza • 1 year ago

Could be i presumed the none coastal mainland chinese do get attracted to a life away from the CCP and payslip

Unknown • 1 year ago

You seem to be 20 years behind the times lol.

Bowser's Big Bean Burrito • 2 years ago

The problem with criminal slavery is that since it’s the only one that’s still “legal”, there will be those who try to profit off it by getting as many convictions as possible and delaying prison reform

It’s still oppressive slavery, but because it’s done to prisoners we think it’s justified.

Vii X • 2 years ago

I didn't say it's not rife with system abuse or in need of an overhaul. But if done correctly it functions well as a work force if the deterrent fails.

Zackari Sebastian • 2 years ago

The State is the one that runs the whole criminal slavery thing right? So most of the time it's the bureaucrats that extend sentences right?

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QuadL • 2 years ago

Under your logic... A prisoner would be living through hell and then want to reform themselves into some kind of responsible member... of a society that just put them through hell and used them as a resource for it's own benefit. All while not getting "institutionalized" or resentful of those that put them through hell...

You might as well live in a communist country at that point because "putting down mad dogs" requires a level of insight into the future of another life rarely seen in humans and making other live through hell for their mistakes opens the door to abuse, oppression, and torture. These are all easier to achieve in a communistic society.

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Patrick Rannou • 2 years ago

One of the biggest problems with this kind twisted evil justice that leads to even BIGGER crimes by the society itself aka "if you break one's finger, we will break your arm!" kind of two-rights, two-measures, even if you willfully completely ignore the possibility of society to be benevolent and shouldn't put any emphasis on reform and forgiveness, only on vengeance in a way that assumes people NEVER chance (along that line of thought surely you're still just as completely immature as when you were 6 years old, because people can't change right?) well even if you ignore all of that, is the remaining fact that the more severe the punishments are, the more the criminal will become ready to commit even WORSE crimes in order to not get caught. Leading to a lot more deaths and injuries and damages to society.

You have to put deep into your head that Laws don't exist in order to punish, to apply vengeful justice, to deal only in absolutes worthy of the worst religious fanatics.

Nope!

Laws are there instead to minimize conflict, to reduce harm over the long term. They're more like oil in the complex machine of society to prevent it from overheating. Not a hammer that you slam as hard as you can right on an block engine the minute it seems to not work great.

Keep your torches and pitchforks in your head.

O.R.E.O.bamawagon • 2 years ago

Dude thank God society doesn't think like you. You are a piece of left wing trash. Even leftists would balk at your unfounded, ignorant statements.

Spider Lily • 1 year ago

Funny thing, you can LITERALLY see how 'well' it works in US right now, since they have it written into their constitution. Spoiler: it's the reason why for-profit prisons can pay judges to pipeline children to them and why black people suffer police brutality and school-to-pricon pipeline.
So congratulation on admitting to being a complete idiot I guess.

Vii X • 1 year ago

I honestly think you're an idiot, and the whole world can see that. You do realize that children are less than 1% of the prison population right? And that white and Asians go to jail as well? And that judges don't get paid by prisons to put children in jail. In fact, judges actively try to avoid putting children in jail over all. But you're just a bigoted, racist, SJW c.unt who attempts to wash over actual facts. All prisons in the world are 'for profit' that's how the employees get paid. You know, correctional officers and wardens. The people keeping the pedophiles, rapists and murderers in their jail call so you don't get violated. Right, I forgot BLM and those SJWs love groomers and 'child-lovers', you must be one as well.